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alex657684
Posted on Jun 11, 2007 at 01:58 PM
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we don't kill them to show it's wrong. we kill them because that is the punishment handed down by the jury.

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sweetbirdy
Posted on Jun 11, 2007 at 02:20 PM
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An Eye For An Eye, In My Book Take A Life Leave Your's

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vickyizamofo
Posted on Jun 12, 2007 at 06:25 AM
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im with you on that

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Lokireloaded
Posted on Jun 12, 2007 at 03:45 PM
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an eye for an eye until the world is bilnd?

you have to remember that someone has to kill the killer. and what of the killers' killer?
should he not also be killed?

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alex657684
Posted on Jun 13, 2007 at 08:26 PM
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nope. executing a murderer isn't murder. it's the punishment. since you're against it, i tell you what. i'll kill a friend of yours, spend the rest of my life in prison, watching tv, reading books, get a degree, get better food than half of this country, and you can pay for it.

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metalhed4200
Posted on Jun 11, 2007 at 03:50 PM
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And what lesson exactly is learned when a convicted murderer is put to death? The death penalty is revenge punishment, and it does little to deter others from commiting the same crimes.

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bigster
Posted on Jun 12, 2007 at 03:28 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070611/ap_on_r e_us/death_penalty_deterr ence;_ylt=AqlxJX4PX7UM2FB.MyveIBFvzwcF

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metalhed4200
Posted on Jun 12, 2007 at 06:53 AM
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Statistics are not proof. There could be, and likely is, countless other reasons that no one even thought to look into, that played a much larger roll in the increase of murder rates.

There is also the fact that we humans... are still animals, something we will never not be. Animals kill animals, for many different reasons, and that's just the way it is.

The fear of being put to death (or any form of punishment) certainly deters many, but those that commit heinous crimes, are gonna commit heinous crimes, regardless of the possible consequences.

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alex657684
Posted on Jun 12, 2007 at 12:36 PM
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which is why we have decided that the only punishment for them is to be put to death. if you're against the death penalty, then you should have no problems with them moving in next to you right? 100% of the people put to death don't murder or rape anybody again - prison doesn't 'fix' anybody.

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SoR_AWC
Posted on Jun 12, 2007 at 12:47 PM
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Governor George Ryan did his best to empty death row...and not a single one of the released murderers are living next to him....not fair.

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alex657684
Posted on Jun 12, 2007 at 01:00 PM
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that's why i like texas......we aren't afraid to use it. in fact, someone is getting fried this weekend.

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metalhed4200
Posted on Jun 12, 2007 at 06:44 PM
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I don't have a particular problem with the sentence of Life with no parole.

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alex657684
Posted on Jun 12, 2007 at 06:46 PM
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except life without parole isn't life.......he'll be out in 25. and you can pay for him to live there.....

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metalhed4200
Posted on Jun 12, 2007 at 07:02 PM
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Okay, in some states life isn't life (to my understanding my state is one), but that's a problem that should be fixed and not by execution. Execution is nothing more than state sanctioned vigilante justice. Murder is murder no matter who does it or gives the order to. Murdering murderers makes you nor I nor anybody else any better than them. A dead murderer will murder no more, but a living executioner will go on murdering until they get too old to pull that switch.

"I'd rather see 100 murderers go free, than see one innocent man executed" (paraphrased)- Ben Franklin? I can't remember specifically who said that, but it seems like something he would have said. If for no other reason, that alone should be why the death penalty should end.

Oh, and forensics aren't 100% accurate, and people still do fall through the cracks. So, if a mistake is made by a forensics technician, and an innocent man is put to death, who should pay the price? What if that same technician is biased, and flubs the results intentionally, and they don't find out until after the execution has taken place, should that technician be sentenced to death as well?

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alex657684
Posted on Jun 12, 2007 at 07:19 PM
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Again, if you want to have them spend the rest of their life in prison, feel free to send money to the prisons. I don’t want my money going to support some low life that raped and murdered an 11 year old girl. I will personally pull the switch.

No, forensics isn’t 100% accurate, but so far not one person that has been put to death has actually been innocent. And your argument doesn’t add to your position at all either, because whether somebody is executed or not, he’s still going to die in prison because somebody was ‘biased’.

Aside from the fact that that has probably never happened in the last 30 years, it’s an argument against all incarceration, not just the death penalty. After all, the tech might do it at any time. And, that is why we have appeals, and it takes many, many years for somebody to be executed.

And why would we be better than the murderer anyway? Isn’t all human life equal? So what does ‘We’d be no better than the murderer’ mean?

And you say murder is murder? Would you put somebody away for life for killing somebody who entered his house and tried to kill him or his family? After all, he killed somebody, and murder is murder.

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metalhed4200
Posted on Jun 12, 2007 at 07:53 PM
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That's self preservation, not murder. Murder is "The killing of a human being with premeditated motive". Killing someone who is trying to seriously injure or kill you, is not murder, for it is not premeditated.

As far as money is concerned, I've read that, due to the extensive appeals process, it is acutally more expensive to sentence someone to execution than to imprison them for life.

I'll keep arguing about this if you want, but I don't see you changing your mind, and I'm not going to either.

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alex657684
Posted on Jun 13, 2007 at 08:30 PM
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again, every conviction can be appealed. some cases are still being appealed from the 80's, and they were giving actual life without parole. it's actually cheaper to execute, because we will no longer be financing his stay in prison, unlike the person doing 50 or so years constantly appealing.

And it's only murder if it was premeditated? Ok, i'll break into one of your family member's house and accidently shoot and kill them. and according to you, i haven't committed murder.

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metalhed4200
Posted on Jun 14, 2007 at 01:27 AM
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I give you a "good point... but". However, I'm done arguing about this.

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BIG_JIM_AUS
Posted on Jun 11, 2007 at 06:51 PM
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u think it the deat penalty has no effict on wold be killers. If people did not fear death as much as prison we would not have as maney cons they would all kill themself's. if there was no death penalty u could almost be assured that the murder rate would clime dramaticly.

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Token
Posted on Jun 11, 2007 at 11:45 PM
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I have mixed feelings on the issue.
Taking their life, makes you no different than them.
I also do not wish to support them for the remainder of their life in prison.

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ressurection666
Posted on Jun 12, 2007 at 02:40 AM
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I think everyone has the same problem, personally i am for the death penalty for certain crimes like pedophillia and rape, but murder makes you just as bad as them.

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psychomatt
Posted on Jun 13, 2007 at 05:38 PM
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The death penalty is NOT murder.

Murder: innocent victim; murderer acts as arbitrary judge, jury, and executioner; Frequently a VERY horrible death.

Death penalty: Guilt must be proven through the legal system; Several people must be convinced of said guild AND believe it's strong enough to warrant death penalty; Reasonable attempts made to make it quick and relatively painless.

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bigster
Posted on Jun 12, 2007 at 03:36 AM
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you kill them to protect others. i doubt many of you find anything wrong with killing in war, do you? its the same thing. you kill people to protect others.

if you have a thousand people living in a society and then you have one loose cannon running around killing people, it's only a matter of common sense that that one person is unable to live in a society with others.

but then i guess it'd be different walking in on your spouse having sex with someone else and killing them. but then again, those people rarely face the death penalty. they usually only serve a little jailtime. less then a normal murder

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metalhed4200
Posted on Jun 12, 2007 at 06:57 AM
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Funny you should mention that, because I also have a problem with war. Certainly one should be aloud to defend themselves when attacked, but killing in self defence is not murder, it's survival. Pre-emptive wars *cough* are essentially murder (nay, genocide really) put forth with the facade of self defence. These wars seem to me to be the upper crust, manipulating the lower crust into committing the mass murders for them... for profit.

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alex657684
Posted on Jun 12, 2007 at 12:38 PM
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welcome to America........

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SoR_AWC
Posted on Jun 13, 2007 at 08:09 AM
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Nay... Genocide and War ARE 2 different things.

Genocide can be committed outside of a war as it is basically slaughter of a people,race,ideology .

War is armed conflict between 2 groups...Genocide is a criminal act whenever it happens...

Slaughter is not War...

Please dont confuse them.

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psychomatt
Posted on Jun 13, 2007 at 05:34 PM
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By this logic, it's wrong to detain people who detain other people to show that detaining people is wrong (by jailing kidnappers) and it's wrong to take money from people who take money from people to show that taking money from people is wrong (fining thieves.)

The difference is criminals do it completely of their own accord, arbitrarily, and to an innocent victim. When it's done as legal punishment, their guilt must be proven through a set system of rules.

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bigster
Posted on Jun 14, 2007 at 01:58 AM
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very good point

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Lord-Bates
Posted on Jun 13, 2007 at 06:03 PM
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cuz the world is fucked and we like to show off...

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vickyizamofo
Posted on Jun 14, 2007 at 05:15 AM
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best comment posted!

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Alive
Posted on Jun 13, 2007 at 07:19 PM
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Execution is not Murder; it is the intentional premature termination of the use of ones own body. It should not be thought of as a deterrent it should be thought as a punishment. If you go out and murder someone you have taken everything away from them. They now have absolutely nothing at all. NOTHING... AT ALL. (Ponder nothing for a moment... ok that’s enough) If you are put in prison for life you are left with everything. LIFE... so sweet without it you have... (BTW this hole after life thing, get a grip please. Where does the flame go when the candle is blown out? Nothing) we are all going nowhere it's just a matter of time. The murder will die eventually. He/She has shortened someone’s life. Actually made a conscious choice and took the proper actions that would end a victim’s life. Now, that seems like a good reason for a community to choose that a murderer have their life shortened as well. If someone murdered you wouldn't you what their life shortened as well? Of course not, you’re dead, you have nothing at all.

Now, about the Abortion issue...

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