they should be beaten with a big stick

I think so too.

Your right, too much abuse is over looked because of who the parents are and how they are precieved by the community around them....all abusers, rich, poor,black ,white,red, or yellow, city,rural, in this country or another should be locked up or shot, depending on the case, no other choices.......

i totally agree. there is a huge difference between discipline, which may sometimes be physical, and systematic abuse. unfortunately, no amount of legislation will stop abusers. it is only the caring, law abiding parents, who use physical punishment as a last resort that are stopped.

There is still a difference between Discipline and Abuse.

Although years of the ACLU have tried to stomp it out.

Discipline, ass paddling...mental cruelty...chores...grounding...

Abuse, 12 skull fractures, cigarette burns all up and down a childs arm, starvation, non treatment of disease,

Theres a lot of difference between a swat on the ass and grabbing a kid by the arm and flinging them into a wall causing broken arm and internal injuries.

It's the common sense thing again.

There just isnt as much common sense as there used to be... or perhaps we should change the term to Uncommon Sense.

there sure is a difference, however not legally anymore. you smack your kid on the ass and you go to jail......

In my state, you can spank your child on the bottom with an open hand only.

AND... the people who do have the kids can make those kids so fu*cked up that they can one day turn into serial killers especially if their mothers abuse them:

Ed Gein
Charles Manson
Bobby Jo Long


But the good parents who discipline their kids as a last resort shouldn't be shown as abusers.

My dad was by my sister. She was being a b*tch, and my dad put her in line really quick. She told a friend who in turn told the parents who told someone and they called child services. My mom,dad,sister, and me ( I was 9-11 years old) had to see a therapist.

Another example of what's blurring the line: A former coworker's exwife made false allegations of child abuse against him, to get custody and lots of child support. The only way he could get visitation was to agree to never hit the kids for any reason (including slapping a hand away from an electrical outlet or hot stove.)

That sucks. and that is not fair for the man.

Why didn't the judge ask for evidence against the man?

That is a good thought, BUT there are many adopted children, and those in foster care who face this abuse also.
A local case here not to long ago, where the adopted child ended up dead.Beat the child for eating food, duct tape him to furniture, ended up hitting him in the head with a hammer, and dumping him in a swamp. Reported him runaway. took a year to find him.They were reported for previous abuse, they moved to this county, investigations start new.... Local authorities say funding cuts limit man power to investigate ....

because so many people do not think about"birth conrol",then they have kids they didn't want in the first place so they abuse them like it was there fault for being born. If people don't want kids they need to learn to take precautions to not have kids its not a very hard thing to do.

I know, and I agree.
But there's always the option of abortion.

or atleast adoption

Agree.

But there are also adopted chldren who are being abused.

I wish people were more careful with ther choices. Those children doesn't deserve it :(

Well yes and no,I don't believe abortion is a birth control answer, in certain cases like rape, or your health, or something bad is wrong with the child, but just to have an abortion just because you won't use protection,just a bad idea. I have a niece that has had several abortions because she won't use protection, I just don't get that.thats just the way I feel about it everyone has there own opinion I know!